aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

[kaffy_r]

Urge. To. Kill.
Reason #1,436,085 I am glad I do not have a gun or frequent flier miles. It's also reason #9,572,009 I am ... diffident ... about religiously-based gender roles. The laff riot really gets rolling around paras 7 and 8.

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[mizzlaurajean.livejournal.com]

I think he is a bit unclear on the concept of "democracy" and how that plays out in real life.

I'd like it if he personally was never allowed to have sex with anyone. Because here in America we call such men sexual predators, rapists and wait for it............ wrong!

Thank you for the humble reminder I live in a great country with tons of privilege despite its flaws.

[kaffy_r]

Bless you my child, for you are absolutely, 100 percent ... wait for it ... right!!!!!

[(Anonymous)]

Mizz: Maybe you lay too much value on the label of "democracy". It was a democracy that sentenced Socrates to death, too. --MMB

[mizzlaurajean.livejournal.com]

Gee I dunno I guess I like to think Democracy like all things has evolved with the times especially that length of time. 400B.C. was quite a while back ago.
I'm sure "democracy's" meaning varies from place to place and yet demoting women to being the sex slaves of their husbands seems just a tab bit archaic even for me.

Maybe you do not place enough value on the label

And really in my mind this goes well beyond just democracy and is really more of a human rights issue.

[(Anonymous)]

All I'm saying his that if you speak or think the word "democracy" with some sort of magical Humpty-Dumpty-esque pile of attached meanings you'll get blindsided when something like this happens. Democracy strictly means majority vote rules. Period. Any other meaning you assign is mythology.

That said: If you take anything I wrote as in any way approving of what the Afghani law is, I suggest you take a break and examine your presuppositions.

[kaffy_r]

I think the idea of believing that the strictly technical denotation of democracy is all democracy is, is to make the world a little more dim for yourself.

"In our world," said Eustace, "a star is a huge ball of flaming gas."
"Even in your world, my son, that is not what a star is but only what it is made of."
(C.S. Lewis, The Voyage of the Dawntreader)

[(Anonymous)]

And I think not keeping precision when thinking about government is just like handing whiskey and car keys to teenagers. --MMB

[kaffy_r]

Socrates might have suggested that the oligarchs of Athens were less interested in demos than thanatos.

This country does indeed have its many flaws, but in point of fact its constitution is admirably free of theocracy of the type that I referenced in the post.

[(Anonymous)]

Kathy -- I don't see how what you've written in any way contradicts, or indeed relates, to anything I've written. My point was about a flaw in "democracy". And beyond that, a flaw in the unsupported belief that "democracy" as such always yields correct results and is inherently to be fostered everywhere willy-nilly; and my I-think-substantiated opinion that use of the word as some sort of shibboleth is fraught with perilous error. Not a word about the US Constitution or theocracy anywhere in any of what I wrote. I'd think that someone as bothered by CA Prop 8 as you have been would get my meaning pretty clearly. But maybe not.

Happy Easter, anyway. --MMB